Posts by Half banana

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Was Jesus a real person?

by Coded Logic in

why didn't jesus ever write anything?

why are there no letters to jesus?

no painting of jesus from that time?

The literary character of the NT Jesus, his activities, words and associations had been used as the saviour figure from Bronze Age antiquity. To be brief; why was the virgin mother of the Egyptian saviour and god-man also called Meri (Isis Meri) and his step father called Sep (as in Joseph)? Why did this ancient saviour have 12 disciples, walk on water, heal the sick, cure lepers and even raise his friend Lazarus? The answer is because he was the saviour figure in a folk tale at least two thousand years BC. Why did Jesus walk on water? Because he walked on water as the morning Sun does rising over the sea, the saviour figure was a Sun god and the son of a Sun god, born at the end of mid-winter solstice and ascending to heaven each year at the spring equinox and dying again on the shortest day. Why were oxen in the stall where the saviour was born and why are all god-men saviours born of a virgin? Because they are references to ancient astrology (Taurus the bull and The Virgin) which system of belief preceded Catholic Christianity and remains the normative structural myth beneath most religious thought on this planet.

The truth does not need defending, it can stand on its own feet. However to promote a big lie, enormous amounts of propaganda and money is required just like the Roman Church had. They had the power and political will to promote the Jesus story and they had the information control to exclude the pagan origins of the Christ figure...and they did so very successfully.

Was Jesus a real person?...Since when have fictional characters from pagan stories started to come off the page and become real people?

(haven't listened to Carrier yet)

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What on earth have the JW org got to offer?

by Half banana in

what on earth have jw org got to offer?.

one hundred and thirty six years this july of the worlds most published and least read magazine: the inglorious watchtower.

nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind.

Half banana

Fusion, thank you for your reply and suggestions but really... are these notions worth wasting your life on? Other religions teach these things also. How could any of them be offered as an enticement to commit your life to the JW religion? For example; “Join us as we have no complex rapture doctrine except for the governing body”. It is a complete irrelevance! They have nothing to offer which is realisable and never did have. The trinity no longer gets people's juices going and never will again.

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What on earth have the JW org got to offer?

by Half banana in

what on earth have jw org got to offer?.

one hundred and thirty six years this july of the worlds most published and least read magazine: the inglorious watchtower.

nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind.

Half banana

Sorry to disappoint friend but you’ll have to return those diplomas to fairy-land, they just don’t cut the mustard in the real world.

The CV for a youngish male JW about to get married:

Education: Read the Watchtower and Awake magazines cover to cover for fifteen years.

Work experience: Part-time window cleaner

Job prospect: !!!

income prospect: !!!

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What on earth have the JW org got to offer?

by Half banana in

what on earth have jw org got to offer?.

one hundred and thirty six years this july of the worlds most published and least read magazine: the inglorious watchtower.

nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind.

Half banana

So edible insects and java beans will get you everlasting life?!

Why do people still listen to JWs and even join the org when there is now no difference between them and any other Christian doomsday cult?

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What on earth have the JW org got to offer?

by Half banana in

what on earth have jw org got to offer?.

one hundred and thirty six years this july of the worlds most published and least read magazine: the inglorious watchtower.

nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind.

Half banana

What on earth have JW org got to offer?

One hundred and thirty six years this July of the World’s most published and least read magazine: the inglorious Watchtower. Nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind. It is never quoted from by any academic source apart from exposing its stupidity or justifiable complaints of the magazine misquoting their researches.

This magazine is worse than useless it is harmful. It has only ever misled people, it has never educated, only indoctrinated... and worse yet is that the writers don’t even understand the difference!

Here’s my point... not ever having got anything right in its whole history; what credentials can they offer to the public that they alone should be believed?

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Looking for ideas.

by Driving Force in

i received an email from one of the elder in the local congregation.

i am not dfed so there is not a problem there, i am just an aggressive fader.. one of the last things i said to this elder before i stopped all activities was that i do not agree with the borg taking all the assets from the congregations.. here is what the elder said in the email:.

"i recently saw something while looking through the jw broadcasting for the month of may and i though about you.

Half banana

You could say that if Big J was really supporting the org, then the GB wouldn't have to go begging for money...but only if you wanted to make a quick exit by being d/fed!

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How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?

by Zoos in

i flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .

they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.

then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.

Half banana

This is a fact: there was no global flood in the last ten thousand years. The basis for this statement is because there is no evidence for a global flood, none whatever. There is evidence for climate change which as I said earlier gave rise to flood myths but the story of Noah is a fable.

There is extremely good evidence that there was NOT a global flood.The last ten thousand years of geological studies during this Holocene period is very well known by earth scientists and has so much data that we can be completely confident that there was no Biblical flood. As Kaik mentions there are no breaks in the also well recorded archaeological data. The Egyptian records run continuously through the period the Bible reports there was a global flood. How much more evidence does a person need? If you believe in the Biblical flood you are a naive and superstitious person.

As ex-JWs we must get used to the fact that the Bible is a book of folk myth, it is not inspired, it is not the word of any god.

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How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?

by Zoos in

i flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .

they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.

then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.

Half banana

I suggest the reason that there were myths myth of floods found in all inhabited continents was because of the need to explain the reason why it began to rain so much after the last ice age. There was no Noah’s Flood; it is just one of the myriad folk tales found in the earliest literature as an echo of the phenomenon of global warming and its natural consequence; the new experience of voluminous rain which had not occurred even within folk memory of earth’s inhabitants twelve thousand years ago. During the last global thermal minimum between twenty thousand and eleven thousand years ago, a large amount of the earth’s free water had been bound up frozen in the arctic and Antarctic ice sheets.

With the melting of the enlarged ice-caps (beginning about 14,000 years ago) which had accumulated during the arctic freeze of the last ice age, the sea levels began to rise dramatically as the ice evaporated and water vapour became airborne. Floods most definitely occurred and land bridges were drowned including the connection between northern France and England which existed up till about 8400 years ago if memory serves right.

To get a proper handle on anything: stop believing in the truthfulness of the Bible. The Bible is pre-scientific superstition. The question of " how much sediment" makes no sense unless there was a Noachian flood...which was both physically impossible and for all the catastrophic impact it would have had is not recorded at all by the earth sciences. Further to that , it happened so the Bible says, in historic time and as others have said;there is no mention of it. It's a myth!

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

Half banana

It wouldn’t be so bad if the Bible was God’s word. But the Bible is a flawed and mainly Roman Catholic fraud.

It wouldn’t be so bad if Jesus was actually God’s son. But he was the Jewish name given to an old saviour myth with cult appeal to both Jews and non-Jews.

It wouldn’t be so bad if there truly was an end to the worst things in the world... and although science and technology have greatly improved our lives, for the moment there is no hope of immortality or world peace. We just have to appreciate what we have and make the best of our short life on a beautiful planet.

In the mean time, doomsday cults fleece their flock on the basis of a never arriving dream of a never coming kingdom...the poor and uneducated devoting their lives to a confidence trick... just like early Jesus cults did nearly two thousand years ago.

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Bro Loesch's talk.

by New day in

recently i heard through video link to our kh a talk by bro loesch where he attacked university study (again) but this time he prefaced his remarks by saying, and i quote, "the faithful slave does not forbid you to go to university.

" so this was a bad start as his following remarks made it clear that this was just a way of seeming reasonable while basically saying that we shouldn't do it.

he went on to use an illustration i think he has used before about a man with ocd who decided to kill himself.

Half banana

Quite right Heaven, there is nothing as lethal to Watchtower dogma as critical thinking... which is the bread and butter of university study.

It is hardly surprising that the GB don’t want their flock to get an education. Cult religion is the preserve of the poor and uneducated.